Serijske ubojice stvarni monstrumi..

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Re: Serijske ubojice stvarni monstrumi..

Post by hitman_4 » 18 Apr 2017, 13:19

Michel wrote:I ne shvaćam kako ga još nisu ulovili. Možda sam ja to zabrijao da sa dašanjom tehnologijom možeš bilo koga naći, ali jebote ovo je već previše.
da, stvarno nevjerovatno uz svu tu moguću tehnologiju i dronove
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Re: Serijske ubojice stvarni monstrumi..

Post by Michel » 24 Aug 2017, 18:12

Prijatelji kažu da se znao naljutiti i čak na ljude bacati alat, ali da nije bio nasilna osoba.
Ali ne, nije nasilan :lol: čovjek si zamislio da je Nemo.
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Post by ars3n1c_88 » 24 Aug 2017, 18:41

HorrorHR wrote:
14 Dec 2006, 18:53
dr_gonzo wrote:Što mislite o ovoj temi uopće?
Jeste li se ikad zapitali kako to
- da 90% serijskih ubojica je iz USA
- da 90% njih su muškarci bijelci
- više od 60% njih je mokrila u krevet dobrano prešavši 12-godinu života
- svi oni su bili ili sadističkih ili piromanskih sklonosti
- svi oni ili uzmu trofej ili suvenir
- 75% njih zatvorenih serijskih ubojica tvrde da su bili zlostavljani kao djeca
- 5% serijskih ubojica jesu crnci, dok je samo 2% posto serijskih ubojica ženskog roda
To su samo statistike onih ulovljenih. Možda samo ovaj "profil" pada u ruke policije. Serija "Dexter" daje malo drugačiju perspektivu na serijske ubojice :P
dr_gonzo wrote:Imam u vidu otovriti novi blog (negdje poslije nove godine), pa kad sve sredim (oko 100 serijskih ubojica, bilo poznatih, bilo nepoznati javnosti) ponudio bih vrlo veliki rukopis izdavačima... Mislite li da bi to koga zanimalo?
Čitaoce bloga bi zanimalo, izdavače, hm, možda i ne radi teme omotane u smrt. Možda se varam ali mi nekako kod nas to tržište djeluje konzervativno, je imamo knjiga o ubojicama, ali čim je "real lie" u igri možda bi bilo malo teže ući u deal sa izdavačem. Sa druge strane, gledao sam neki prilog da kod nas ima tipa par sto izadavača - pa na taj uzorak mora biti bar par njih koji bi išli van sa ovakvom knjigom.
Ne štima ti statistika. Ljudi uvijek zaboravljaju na UK ili Njemačku, čak i Francuzi imaju svoje. Nije ništa to čudno kod veliki država i veće populacije samog stanovništva. To što se tiće mokrenja ne stoji (možda 3-5%).

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Re: Serijske ubojice stvarni monstrumi..

Post by Michel » 24 Aug 2017, 21:09

A to što su velik dio serijskih ubojica bili pedofili/homoseksualci je isto zanimljivo.
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ars3n1c_88 wrote:
24 Aug 2017, 18:41
To što se tiće mokrenja ne stoji (možda 3-5%).
ne pratim statistku, ali ovo me je nasmijalo :lol:
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Post by ars3n1c_88 » 25 Aug 2017, 01:11

pa ako pratimo psihološke poremećaje, anksioznosti i paranoidnost u znanstvenom konektu onda da. Imam par radova (skinutih oko toga) pa ti linkam :)
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Post by ars3n1c_88 » 25 Aug 2017, 01:41

btw. gde si našao taj podatak da se ja malo nasmijem. :)

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ars3n1c_88 wrote:
25 Aug 2017, 01:11
Imam par radova (skinutih oko toga) pa ti linkam :)
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ars3n1c_88 wrote:
25 Aug 2017, 01:41
btw. gde si našao taj podatak da se ja malo nasmijem. :)
koji podatak? ništa ja nisam tražio niti istraživao :mrgreen:
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Post by john_constantine » 25 Aug 2017, 10:34

Misli na dr. Gonzoa. To je njegov post.

A ovo za mokrenje u krevet, ne mora biti kriva statistika. Problem je poslije u odgoju. Znam dosta koji su fizički kažnjavali takvu djecu smatrajući to sramotnim i da će uz pomoć batina prestati mokriti u krevet noću.
Ionako većina serijskih ubojica su imali teško djetinstvo kao Ed Gain. Nisu ubijali dok nije nestala prepreka u obliku dominatnog oca ili majke.
A Gacy, nisam siguran, onaj pedofil i serijski ubojica je ubijao pod utjecajem oca ako se ne varam.
Michel puši karu.

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Post by ars3n1c_88 » 25 Aug 2017, 14:32

Ti si mislio na Mcdonaldovu trijadu.

Citirat ću neke reference:
However, some authors continue to speculate that enuresis may be related to firesetting and animal cruelty in some way. One argument is that because persistent bed-wetting beyond the age of five can be humiliating for a child, especially if he or she is belittled by a parental figure or other adult as a result, this could cause the child to use firesetting or cruelty to animals as an outlet for his or her frustration. Enuresis is an "unconscious, involuntary, and nonviolent act and therefore linking it to violent crime is more problematic than doing so with animal cruelty or firesetting".
MacDonald, J. M. (1963). The threat to kill. American Journal of Psychiatry, 120, 125-130; Hellman, D. S., & Blackman, N. (1966). Enuresis, fire setting, and cruelty to animals: A triad predictive of adult crime. American Journal of
Psychiatry, 122, 1431-1435; and Wax, D., & Haddox, V. (1974). Enuresis, fire setting, and animal cruelty in male adolescent delinquents: A triad predictive of violent behavior. Journal of Psychiatric Law, 2(1), 45-72 in Haden, S.C., &
Scarpa, A. (2005). Childhood animal cruelty: A review of research, assessment, and therapeutic issues. The Forensic Examiner, 14(2), 23-32.


The connection between cruelty to animals in childhood/early adolescence and adult violent criminal behavior has been a topic of interest for decades. Formal research on this matter began as early as the 1960s with Mead’s 1964 bulletin article including her theory “that childhood animal cruelty was symptomatic of a violent personality that, if not diagnosed and targeted, could lead to ‘a long career of episodic violence and murder’.”1 This phenomenon was also studied as part of a triad including enuresis (bed wetting) and fire setting in childhood by a number of researchers.2 In the 1980s studies found that the association was not as significant as originally thought and triad research opened the way for the study of cruelty to animals as an independent indicator.
Heath, G. A., Hardesty, V. A., & Goldfine, P. E. (1984). Fire setting, enuresis, and animal cruelty. Journal of Child and Adolescent Psychotherapy, 1, 97-100 and Felthous, A. R., & Kellert, S. R. (1986). Violence against animals and people: Is
aggression against living creatures generalized? Bulletin of the American Academy of Psychiatry and Law, 14(1), 55-69 in Haden, S.C., & Scarpa, A. (2005). Childhood animal cruelty: A review of research, assessment, and therapeutic issues.
The Forensic Examiner, 14(2), 23-32.

''Evidence for the triad’s predictive power has always been thin. MacDonald provided no data in his 1963 paper and in a later followup concluded the triad didn’t reliably predict homicide.''
The most commonly-cited empirical support for the triad comes mostly from a 1966 study by Daniel Hellman and Nathan Blackman. They found that of 31 prison inmates convicted of violent crimes, 45 percent exhibited the triad and 74 percent showed at least one of the three behaviors, much higher than for nonviolent criminals. In particular, 68 percent of the violent criminals had been bed-wetters versus 28 percent of a group of nonviolent criminals.
That’s interesting, but we’re only talking about a few dozen subjects. What’s more, from the case studies it’s apparent the violent criminals had so many other bad things going on (abusive parents, personality disorders, mental problems) that it’s difficult to see why you’d attach any great significance to bed-wetting, or to the triad generally. Nonetheless, Hellman and Blackman proposed the triad as a “pathognomonic sign”—when you saw it in a kid, it was a cinch they’d grow up to be trouble. That conjecture hardened into the conventional wisdom, not just in the mind of the public fed the usual baloney by Hollywood, but among professionals in the field. It was left to a criminology grad student to make the case that the triad was an urban legend. In her 2009 master’s thesis, Kori Ryan pointed out that little research on the triad had been done, although it was frequently mentioned in the professional literature. Studies looking at the individual triad behaviors were more numerous but were often beset by methodological problems. Ryan wrote, “The limited empirical research that does exist is not sufficient to support the contention that [the triad] portend[s] later violence,” much less serial murder.
The same could be said of bed-wetting specifically, and Ryan suggests recent researchers haven’t taken it too seriously as a presager of bad things—and really, why should they? Chronic fire-setting and animal cruelty are deliberate antisocial behaviors; whether or not they’re the mark of a future psychopath, they’re not a healthy sign. Bed-wetting on the other hand is involuntary, and plainly was included in the triad mostly because of half-baked psychoanalytic notions. It’s also fairly common, affecting something like 1 to 2 percent of those 15 or older, the vast majority of whom aren’t criminals. To suggest it’s a sign of a future serial killer—that’s just wrong. —Cecil Adams

Znači sve u svemu jest da ta navodna teorija o mokrenju u krevetu ne drži vodu. Te da gospodin Mcdonald nije imao dokaze da je potvrdi, kao i ostali znanstvenici koji su testirali hipotezu tog ponašanja.
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Post by ars3n1c_88 » 25 Aug 2017, 14:33

hitman_4 wrote:
25 Aug 2017, 08:58
ars3n1c_88 wrote:
25 Aug 2017, 01:11
Imam par radova (skinutih oko toga) pa ti linkam :)
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ars3n1c_88 wrote:
25 Aug 2017, 01:41
btw. gde si našao taj podatak da se ja malo nasmijem. :)
koji podatak? ništa ja nisam tražio niti istraživao :mrgreen:

Pa kako znaš da to drži vodu ak ne znaš gdje si izvukao podatke. xD

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Re: Serijske ubojice stvarni monstrumi..

Post by hitman_4 » 25 Aug 2017, 18:27

ma nebitno xD
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